1. This griefing attack was perpetrated by a new alt of Plastic Duck's, apparently already removed from the people list.

All the usual M.O. was there, if you need it to be spelled out in detail, IM me.

Eddie Haskell/aka Chris "Petey," who has been so active in the Cory Linden Townhall thread and other threads rabidly defending libsecondlife, did a whole report on www.somethingawful.com -- the home page for the W-Hat griefers in SL -- in which he laughs through his fingers and pretends he is shocked, shocked by griefing which in fact his group is responsible for.

Yes, *group* is *responsible for*. *Groups* yes. *GROUPS*. Which are RESPONSIBLE AS GROUPS. Because they aid, abet, victory-dance, provide coverage, provide cover, provide enabling, providing training, and provide recruitment.

And we'll be treated once again to shock, shock, that someone has griefed from something related to somethingawful.com and W-HAT. Shock, shock, that GASP that can't be why OMGZORS we can't tar an entire fun innocent group with this brush can we oh NOESSSS there are just "a few bad eggs" blah blah blah.

When, in fact, they are all in on it, and all the recruiting substrate for griefing and the victory dancers that ensure continued attention for this type of griefing.

There's even fake stuff about how this is a "new group" named for Orwell's 101 when in fact it's just the same old, same old. The thing called W-Hat or v-5 or even Gay 4 Cory.

I suppose Master Penguin will now tell us that he just can't see any connection whatsover between this griefing incident, the YouTube on something awful and the victory dancers, and W-HAT. Why, it must be just a few bad eggs, eh? NOT.

Posted at 12:04AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

2. You barmy old bat.

I've never once posted in a Cory Linden thread or defended libsecondlife. I don't think I've ever even posted on blog.secondlife.com.

I can't tell you if it's the same old group because I don't know all of the members of Room 101. I have my suspicions, as do you. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were SomethingAwful members. But then again, there are 90,000 members of the forums alone, nevermind the devoted frontpage following.

In fact, the only reason I hesitated in posting that update was because I *didn't* want the harmless satirists of the Second Life Safari to be associated with the more vindictive griefers of Room 101. A lot of the SLS members are actually productive members of the SL community who want to have some fun on the side.

So thanks for validating my concerns. You're too goddamn smart to fall prey to that, Prokofy. And for all your talk of freedom of expression, you went to the step of banning me from your blog.

I'd be angry, if the whole situation weren't just sad.

Posted at 12:23AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Petey

3. It is too bad that the people who actually know what is going on behind the scenes of these events are the only ones who know just how full of shit Prokofy is.

Posted at 12:25AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Disco Duck

4. Prokofy Neva you need to calm down. It's a video game!

Posted at 12:31AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Pro Target

5. Petey, I didn't "ban you" from my blog, you idiot, I don't "ban people from my blog" for their content. Hardly. I have a simple rule. Which I've already stated a number of times. You have to give your Second Life name in a post. "Petey" isn't a SL name. Petey WHAT? erm W-hat?

Once you are willing to sign with a bona fide Second Life account, then you are not banned.

I find this is the only way to make people accountable for the nasty shit they put up on my blog constantly. If you want to attack me, that's fine, but have the courage to put your SL name and don't hide behind a nick.

I'm not *required* to provide the entire Internet with free expression on my blog; yet in fact I have more free expression with less registration/checking than most blogs. About a year ago, I decided that I was sick of the parade of alts from one person constantly posting the most vicious hate attacks but hiding behind nicks. Post them if you want; put an SL name on them.

Posted at 12:51AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

6. It doesn't matter if there are 90,000 anything. Everybody knows that somethingawful.com is a recruitiing site for SL griefing, and that determined, organized, deliberate, malicious, conspiratorial groups are formed through that site, brag about griefing plans, execute plans, and victory-dance.

If you think I'm going to fall for your little coy admissions of "suspicions," you've got to be on drugs.

The SLS is no fine upstanding thing -- it's a griefing group as well. They/you have taken an object and called it the USS Prokofy Neva. You've gone all around perpetrating griefing with this, taking pictures of these ageplayers trying to shame them, then prompting them hysterically to blame me for this, though I am uninvolved -- then then ban me. There's been extensive coverage of this and your other shenanigans on my blog.

SLS is a griefing group. It griefs. It uses the Leninist and terrorist method of trying to ascribe its evil deeds to uninvolved and innocent people like me. It's a typical W-hat/v-5/Room 101 M.O.

You are not covering a story; you are serving as the PR arm of a griefing group.

Posted at 12:58AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

7. Thanks for clearing up the name issue. Most of my early posts were made without an SL handle and went undeleted, so I didn't automatically deduce that rule.

Coy admissions of suspicions? Maybe. I also realize that reporting what I *do* know would likely result in the mass banning of people by the virtue of guilt by association, so I prefer to keep what little I do know private.

SomethingAwful.com is a humor website that also does features called "The Horrors of Porn", "Fashion SWAT", and "Your Band Sucks." Some of its many and varied members may use it organize activities in Second Life, yes, but to call it a recruiting site for that specific purpose is demeaning to the site's diversity of content.

I did not prompt them to blame you. I was searching for a name and arrived upon that. As I posted in your blog, I never thought that the result would be to get you banned from that land.

Shaming the ageplay furries? If they truly believe in the rightness of their behavior, then there is hardly any shaming done in merely exposing it, is there? That's why I had to explain to someone from the Sydney Morning Herald today the different between griefing--active attacking, what Room 101 does--and exposing, which is the type of in-world social satire the Second Life Safari engages in. Unless you miss the satire inherent in dressing up like hunters and walking around a world where the people have chosen to costume themselves as animals.

The SLS is not a griefing group. It is a satirical group. It does no damage beyond exposing the seedy underbelly of Second Life for what it really is. There is a very, *very* big difference there, one that I fervently assert because a lot of the people involved in the SLS are upstanding members of the SL community.

Ascribe evil deeds to you? Anyone who took the name "THE USS PROKOFY NEVA" in an article where a bunch of people in Star Trek uniforms went to virtual sex clubs and somehow didn't get the joke is too stupid to merit any sort of consideration. And you shouldn't presume I'm so unilaterally opposed or hateful towards you. The SMH guy asked me in an email whether or not you were responsible for the Anshe event, and I told him no. It would have been easy and evilly entertaining to say yes. It would have also been slanderous, but, more importantly, untrue and unfair and outside the context of the satire.

The PR group of a griefing arm? Perhaps. Why? I find it funny, and I find it socially useful to remind people that Second Life is, was, and always will be a video game.

If you'd honestly like to continue this discourse, feel free to email me. I promise I'm not the ghoulish image you've conjured in your mind. Uri and I don't always agree, but there is a mutual respect there, one that I wouldn't mind having with you.

Posted at 1:24AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Petey

8. It's not social satire. That's where you are completely wrong. Social satire in the fine tradition of Monty Python or Firesign Theater or the old Monty Python you all are most certainly not. Most of the time, it consists exactly of this lame, stupid, dull penis-waving. Literally. Like taking pictures of penises, waving them around, making groups with names like Rhetoric's Cock Fan Group etc etc. Over and over again. It's mind-numbing.

The social satire isn't funny -- that's the problem. There's no dry and keen wit. There's just griefing. There's writing stuff that people imagine is brilliant and trenchant wit, but it's just lame and stupid and mediocre. There are satirical things to be done with the World Trade Center. W-Hat hasn't done them, they've merely literally bludgeoned people over the head with the building in SL. There are satirical things to be done with Prokofy Neva. W-Hat hasn't done them, they've abused Prokofy's tenants with cut-off bloody furry heads and particles with the tub-girl pictures spewing all over sims.

Your notion that there is some sort of "social satire" in what you're doing is also incredibly lame. There isn't any. Even Uri called it right, there. By hooking up with actual virtual terrorists, covering for them, blogging and Youtubing for them, you totally undermine the wit and social satire; all you do is turn it into social fascism.

The obsession with furries has long since ceased to be even a mildly humorous gag; the obsession with Prokofy is only a blatant sign of infantalism.

There is satire crying out to be done with SL. You're not doing it. Neither is Somethingawful.com or W-HAT or any of its lame and pathetic spin-off groups that actually crash the grid. You're like all those people in the 60s who said you were for peace and love, but then harbored bomb-throwers and murderers.

I'm never going to respect anyone associated with SA, goons, W-hat or any of its factions. They cause people huge amounts of injury -- real injury with losses of money and with really severe and awful abusiveness. I don't call raping my tenant, spewing tub-girls around, forcing buildings to be destroyed, and a million grief balls coming back into my inventory "satire".

I call it a crime, and it has to be treated as such.

Posted at 3:08AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

9. You're covering up for Plastic Duck here, "Petey" -- knowingly, willingly, and with malice aforethought. You can't fool me with this "only social satire" stuff. It's a deliberate, malicious act, what you're doing, and the reason I've been victimized by these attacks is that I publicize their very real malice and deliberate aforethought and the conspiratorial group nature of these attacks, perpetrated again and again by the same people.

Posted at 3:11AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

10. If somethingawful.com was a recruitment site for SL griefing, I fear for the forums. Most SL threads get flamed to the gas chamber and there have been bannings over it.

Get over yourself, most of us 90,000 goons don't care about second life (let alone play it) and the fact you take a game so seriously is laughable.

Posted at 3:18AM on Dec 21st 2006 by Goonygoon

11. I'm not a goon or a SL player, but every time I see a thread like this, it makes me want to be a SL griefer - just to spark rants like Prokofy's.

Prokofy, your responses are _too damn funny_ to come from actual anger, discontent, unhappiness or annoyance.

Posted at 8:29AM on Dec 21st 2006 by elle

12. Well
I guess you guys do not believe a millionare can actually sport some sense of humor :)

Posted at 11:38AM on Dec 21st 2006 by starcomber Vig

13. Again, the Second Life Safari has not consisted of penis waving. This is where I am trying to draw the line between the few things the Second Life Safari has done and what Room 101 appears to be doing.

I'll agree that penis propagation doesn't merit the name satire in the tradition of Swift. Nor do I think the SLS has done it to the extent or as well as I'd like (the satire, not the phalluses).

But I think the biggest problem we're having in communicating these things is because we view SL from fundamentally different points. My idea of satirizing SL has consisted of exposing, through the outraged reactions of people within the game, what I consider to be a ludicrous amount of seriousness that they attach to a video game.

You, on the other hand, are part of that faction, and would naturally see it as an assault. I'd be interested to know what your ideas of real satire would consist of, because it would help reveal to me what you think of the game in more detail.

I understand your concern, Prokofy. I really do. It's just that I can't agree with it. I cannot agree, at either an intellectual or a visceral level, that actions committed between avatars within games could ever rise to the level of crime, any more than any action within any other game. Sure there is real money riding on the line--same as there is in a big poker games, where cheating might get you kicked out of the game but not land you in jail.

I'm covering for nobody. Let me lay it out once more, as I understand it (and again, I think you may have be confused with someone else, because I've only been playing SL for a matter of months and I don't ever do anything outside of the SLS and a few tabloids like this and the Herald):

-There are SomethingAwful.com forums members (about 90,000)
-There are SomethingAwful.com forums members who play SL (maybe 100, tops)
-There are SA members who play SL who play it without any semblance of griefing
-There are SA members who play SL who sometimes assist in the exposure indulged in by the Second Life Safari
-There is an apparently very small group, whose membership I do not know but probably contain some SA members, who now engage in active griefing and report it to me as Room 101

And that is how I see SA's relationship to SL.

Posted at 12:11PM on Dec 21st 2006 by Petey

14. "Petey," you are the latest in a VERY long line of hucksters and hackers out of SA goondom that pretend you are "drawing a line".

It is all pure, unadulterated bullshit. It's no accident, comrade, that you were on the scene of the griefing and the penises in an account that I happen to know very much about, which was created within seconds of the griefing's onset. For you to "just happen on the scene" as a "reporter" when only seconds go by is just plain friggin' preposterous. That's why I can see right through you. Your alibis are all lies.

Satire doesn't consist of shocking people senseless in a cruel fashion and then filming their reactions. Your notion that they "need" to be shocked and they "have to understand" that it is "just a video" game let's us know the kind of Nazi stormtrooper/Leninist KGB cadre work we can expect. Satire is a more delicate thing. It's when you get people to laugh at themselves, not bludgeon them to death.

You are an extremist, moralistic, Leninist or fascistic force, not a talented satire troup. I can certainly tell the difference.

No one is left with laughs, insights, thoughtfulness, or enjoyability when you are finished. They are merely left with sims from which everyone has fled, and a lot of pink, rotating penises.

This gag has gotten so old, going on its third year or so now, that I can't understand how you could fail to see: this isn't some interesting photographic or machinima or art-troupe sort of work; it's the work of grim, determined, sectarian griefers who take pleasure out of the sense of power they feel over deeply upsetting other people. There is no shock of the new. There is only the terrorist propaganda of the deed -- itself a completely morally bankrupt concept.

This is the Big Lie, which you all have been telling for years:

-There are SomethingAwful.com forums members (about 90,000)
-There are SomethingAwful.com forums members who play SL (maybe 100, tops)
-There are SA members who play SL who play it without any semblance of griefing
-There are SA members who play SL who sometimes assist in the exposure indulged in by the Second Life Safari
-There is an apparently very small group, whose membership I do not know but probably contain some SA mem

[Just like with W-HAT? Just like with v-5? Just like with Humanoids? Gay 4 Philip? Libsecondlife? All groups that these DOZENS (not a few) people joined and ACTIVELY griefed while HUNDREDS looked on an applauded? Read your own damn forums, duh, to see this phenomenon.

And here is the Big Truth:

There is a constantly renewing and fairly stable core membership drawn out of the very willing enablers at www.somethingawful.com, who join rapidly changing and shifting griefing groups with different cover names and alts, held together by a large circle of enablers knowingly abetting the griefers but maintaining plausible deniability and a hardcore of actual griefers who revolve through SL as alts, crashing the grid and terrorizing people.

As long as we've dealt with this phenom, there have been cunning dissemblers like you coming and telling this same propagandistic lie -- oh, it's a huge group, only a few bad eggs; oh, it's just a few people I don't know personally and I don't have anything to do with.

Instead, it's deliberate, planned, malevolent, cynical and cunning telling this tripe you just outlined as part of its propaganda strategy.

You are the propaganda arm of this very definite, very Leninst griefing group.

Posted at 1:09PM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

15. I give up.

Posted at 1:32PM on Dec 21st 2006 by Petey

16. And explain how you knew about this griefing event such as to show in time with a camera to cover it, please.

Posted at 1:51PM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

17. Prokofy, fair warning: If you cannot hold a civil discourse with someone without making accusations of ridiculous conspiracies, or even treating someone with the slightest respect as though you were the ultimate authority on everything, you will no longer be welcome at this site.

Posted at 4:46PM on Dec 21st 2006 by Akela Talamasca

18. Akela,

There is no ridiculous conspiracy here, only *actual hard facts,* contact me privately on my email and I will explain -- it's not something I can publicize here. And your threats are so noted as grist for the W-hat mill.

Please *do* ask yourself, meanwhile, how Petey was able to get to this griefing event made by a minutes-old account in time to shoot the machinima for it.

Prokofy

Posted at 5:57PM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

19. >I was searching for a name and arrived upon that.

Um, right. You're forgetting that I have a lot of information about how this was done, I know the sequence and timing, and your claim to having just "stumbled on a name" of somebody who just "happened" to be griefed for a year by this group is just...fortuitious.

Posted at 6:06PM on Dec 21st 2006 by Prokofy Neva

20. Akela, they are not claims of ridiculous conspiracies. Rather, the claims of conspiracies are not themselves ridiculous. If I were in her position, I'd think similar things.

She does seem to be incapable of civil discourse, though.

Let me be clear:

I have been contacted by a griefer group calling themselves Room 101. Allegedly inspired by the more harmless behavior of the Second Life Safari, they have apparently decided to take a more active griefer stance. I do not know all of the members of Room 101, nor their affiliation, if anything with SA. I have my suspicions, as we all do, and what information I do know I am keeping private because I fear that some groups will be tarred with Prokofy's unreasonably wide brush.

Prokofy, I didn't take a single picture or video in that Room 101 article. As I noted on the site, they were all given to me.

Obviously I named the ship after you. There wasn't any ulterior motive beyond the reference, though. The fact that the furries involved took it seriously enough to ban you was a completely unplanned instance of irony, I assure you.

Posted at 11:01PM on Dec 21st 2006 by Petey