1. There's no need to guess. It's obvious to most of the members why it's closing.

Posted at 5:51PM on Sep 18th 2007 by Decadent

2. New board already setup and welcome my soon to be homeless SC'ers

http://iseegreypeople.com

Posted at 7:51PM on Sep 18th 2007 by sean percival

3. There is no point in soliciting speculation as to why the site is closing. Long time members have a pretty good understanding of why it has come to and end. It is not just one reason, or even a handful of reasons, and there is no one answer to why, except that the owner has decided it is time. No scapegoat to point a finger at, though some are trying.

I've been very lucky to get to know MotherFIC over the past few months in dealing with a hosts of dramas that have arisen from posts on the site, and I am sorry to see it go. My brief time dealing with the utter chaos made me see what he deals with, and he has my respect for doing so as long as he has. You can't just set up another forum or take it over and have it be SC - the place was his vision, and had his touch all over it. The site will be missed, and his efforts are enormously appreciated.

Posted at 10:37PM on Sep 18th 2007 by Cristiano MIdnight

4. I have always been a big SC supporter and participant. I miss the place already :( I'm sure Mother has great reasons for closing it, so that is no my concern. Only the loss.

Posted at 11:18PM on Sep 18th 2007 by Aimee Weber

5. SC will live on in my heart as a warm wonderful place to gather. MOM FIC gave us a great place to banter, laugh and sometimes cry. The friends I made on SC will always remain so, In the meantime --you'll find me posting at SLU.

Posted at 11:47PM on Sep 18th 2007 by Kendra Bancroft

6. What might have caused the closing is rather beside the point, except for small-minded people who feel a need to blame. It happened.

While it was there, however, Second Citizen was an extraordinary experience. You'll find many people, with long histories in Internet forums and boards, who will tell you that the mix of people - the intellects, the wit, the tech savvy, the shear and clear boldness of discourse - was unlike, and unmatched, any other experiences.

Total respect for MoFIC, the man that put the place together and kept it going far longer than any sane human should have done. There are an awful lot of talented and interesting people who went homeless today. We'll see where this particular diaspora disperses.

Kudos, Mo. We won't ever forget!

Posted at 11:54PM on Sep 18th 2007 by Envoy Costagravas

7. The others said it for me Mum. All my very best to you, and whatever that best might be I'm sure it will include an ice cold beer and friendships that you couldn't shake off with a flamethrower.

Miss you already. :hug:

Posted at 12:34AM on Sep 19th 2007 by Willow Matthews

8. FIC did a great job with SC, and hopefully something can take its place one day. FIC still has his land on Deutsche Berge, so maybe he will throw a party eventually :p

Posted at 12:40AM on Sep 19th 2007 by Steve Mahfouz

9. Seeing many great forums come and go I understand that they can never be replaced. Some of the magic is inherently lost when a site closes. I opened http://www.iseegreypeople.com not to replace SC but instead somewhere for the users to continued uncensored conversation.

Posted at 2:28AM on Sep 19th 2007 by sean percival

10. Its a kind of Evolution... we al are a part of it and we see things come and go.. I will of course miss it (already are - sleept badly this night - thats the ONLY minus to Mother GRRRR)..


..Tks - from the deep of my hearth - for the days FIC, tks for the fun to ALL of us.. we made it a place to remember and FIC helped us.

...and the non moderated forum ide are great... we are al grown ups (?) and should take responsibility for our own worlds not a moderator..

..so now I am homeless.. *sob*

/Tina.. that send a extra EXAKT hug to Mother!

Posted at 2:35AM on Sep 19th 2007 by /Tina (PetGirl) Bergman

11. Good, it's about time. First moment I saw the forum while back, I knew it was a breeding ground for goons.

Now, I'm sure the crazy-bat like Prok is gonna brag something about it.

Posted at 3:01AM on Sep 19th 2007 by Nacon

12. Do you think you could spam that link a couple more times, Sean?

Posted at 3:39AM on Sep 19th 2007 by moo Money

13. Holy Dogshit.

I came back from the Tall Corn to find out this happened.

Anyway, Mother FIC deserves credit for creating a vibrant community, one which became a sort of guide for me on stuff to see in SL after my disillusionment with the Herald. As someone who also runs a forum some needlenoses consider "controversial" (but with a considerably smaller audience) I can understand the instinct to pack it in.

I don't get a lot of the drama in SL. A lot of conflicts between people in any sphere is more due to the momentum of institutions rather than any single evil actor. If Hitler had been admitted to art school, somebody else would've simply taken his bloody place in history. Taking things personally just makes things worse. And it's especially stupid to blame the messenger, which I guess in this case was Second Citizen.

I was on SC for only a short time, but I will miss it.

Posted at 3:52AM on Sep 19th 2007 by Forrest Streeter

14. Second Citizen was the best place to check on the true pulse of what was going on in Second Life. I'll miss it.

Posted at 11:20AM on Sep 19th 2007 by FlipperPA

15. I'll miss SC, but i don't care why it closed.

I'm sure Mother had a good reason, the rest is none of my (or anyone else's) business.

But all in time online, SC has become one of the two places i've enjoyed the most, both are closed now.

Posted at 9:56AM on Sep 19th 2007 by Vaalith Jinn

16. There were some interesting threads on Second Citizen ... and a lot of totally pointless ones. But the pointless ones were easy to spot. The signal to noise ratio was low on SC, but the signal was worth tuning in to.

Even there were some drama queens on that site (many of them members of the circle of frequent posters), and even though the site sometimes seemed like it should have been WorldOfWarcraftCitizen.com, it was still an interesting site.

And it sure isn't obvious to ME while the owner felt compelled to take it down abruptly with just a few hours notice. There were a few pretty boring people on the site who posted lots of stuff which was little interest to the rest of us, but they hadn't been getting any more boring in recent weeks.

Posted at 10:10AM on Sep 19th 2007 by Tammy Nowotny

17. I'm very glad that the majority of comments here run along the "speculating is pointless". I feel the same way, and that "guess what happened!" is actually rather sensationalist and exploitative; I avoid other news sources for that angle of 'news' and hope not to see it here.

Posted at 10:46AM on Sep 19th 2007 by Taco Rubio

18. SC went down so Mother could spend more time with his real passion, becoming a pastry chef. Am I the only one who read that post?

Posted at 11:20AM on Sep 19th 2007 by Kristian Ming

19. how sad.
I haven't spent much time in SC in a while so it was a big suprise to me to see it gone when I went there today to check out some random SL tidbit. It was a great resource. Thanks to Mother FIC for all of the work that went into a fine forum.
RIP SC

Posted at 10:10PM on Sep 19th 2007 by Sally Petty

20. SC was loads of fun. Shame that at least the archives aren't still available.

Raymond Figtree's long running thread on the land market was invaluable.

Ummm...so where do we all go now?

Posted at 5:11AM on Sep 20th 2007 by Elizabeth Winnfield